Center for Art Research, University of Oregon2023-02-212023-02-212021https://hdl.handle.net/1794/2802151 pagesCFAR’s Catalytic Conversations serve the creative practices of individuals and groups by giving them an opportunity to engage a small body of thinkers in ways that contribute to a project or line of thinking that is in development. These conversations are recorded, transcribed, and archived as reference materials for those involved. This particular Catalytic Conversation was the first that CFAR conducted with intent to publish.enCreative Commons BY-NC-ND 4.0-USArtTranscriptionDialogueOther